Neocities.org
I've been working on a new engine to replace MyArtGallery and its forks for a blog, etc, etc. The main thing about this engine is it's just a collection of abstractions + an automatically rendered editor for the resulting data model. It's easily turned into a blog, a gallery, a wiki or whatever just with a suiting config (~100 lines of mostly descriptive code). So far so good, but not sure this is it just yet
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over years of progressing with myartgallery and neomanager as a whole, i came to a conclusion that i really dislike how it is right now. i will be rewriting its functinoality from scratch, hopefully packed into a much more lightweight package, and then we will see about the promised localhost control app. right now it's too heavy, insecure and unmodifiable to be actually distributed around...
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astrossoundhell
4 months ago
(MyAG is still supported and if anyone encounters bugs, they can report - however, i think i only saw like, 4 people use it at all, ever. I can see it has to be made simpler.)
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astrossoundhell
4 months ago
more like the core architecture is too clunky and cumbersome, so the code that can be reused isn't, and a lot of redundant functions are made. i know how to fix that, but it means a soft reset for the whole thing
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Found out you have a website by checking the embed plays in my bandcamp stats that link to your furry music article. Happy that you emphasise the non-electronic side of furry music! Kinda sad that you, too, think i borrowed the "lapfox framework" from em... i actually stole it from Gorillaz
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internetbasedghosts
4 months ago
aaaaa thank you! it was more random thought dumping than an article but i'm glad you appreciated it ^_^ neat to get insight about your influences too, i'm definitely missing a ton of references or borrowed concepts in the music i listen to
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Reminder to go sign [https://ai-petition.neocities.org/]. You can read what's up on the same page. I still didn't see Kyle define his position on the issue, as well as a clear yes/no on if our pages were scraped for generative ai reasons.
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Nice hardware section! Glad to see another SDIYer and visual synthesist on Neocities. If you ever need help with russian technical translations for front panels, be my guest :D
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visualculture
5 months ago
yes! i was stoked to find your site as well. the panel you are referring to just had english words cast phonetically in cyrillic as an aesthetic choice lol, but it would be better to use actual russian so i will almost definitely take you up on that offer at some point
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astrossoundhell
5 months ago
Added an anti-ai MOTD right below the intro para. It stays until Kyle speaks up in any capacity. We didn't hear shit since this thing went down, which is suspicious to say the least. I need a guarantee he's not scraping my website for another slop machine. Sign and share the fucking petition. Let's get it to over 100 and then start tagging neocities and Kyle himself in places you can tag at.
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astrossoundhell
5 months ago
I see some places started copying their site to nekoweb. While i understand the urge to do that (and copped my username already, too), i think it's important to keep fighting for this place until the end. I also genuinely think Kyle is an intelligent person and is nearly not as dense as Cool Tech CEOs, and may even listen.
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thecozycat
5 months ago
While I understand the frustrations with AI, wouldn't a coding assistant be a good thing for newcomers? People who want to escape the corporate web for more privacy-respecting, liberating alternatives, but don't have the technical knowledge to code from scratch? AI helping folks create a space of their own that's not-for-profit could help bring in a larger demographic.
ai-petition
5 months ago
This "coding assistant" has multiple factors to consider when it comes to it's use. There is the environmental impact, and the quality of the code produced, and the fact that the neocities userbase is one that cherishes the old web.
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ai-petition
5 months ago
A website builder tool would be much better suited for the job then AI. There is no need for AI to be here in the first place and only introduces the chance for worse code on web pages.
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ai-petition
5 months ago
The environmental aspect is something that Kyle has aknowledged in his blog post yet still went through with trying it. Make of that what you will.
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thecozycat
5 months ago
I think that a website builder tool would be really useful. That's something I feel like we could all get behind and doesn't need to integrate AI. Ever used Piczo back in the day? If Kyle wants to expand on ease-of-use web building here, a good free drag-and-drop web builder would be incredible for newcomers who don't know much about coding. :)
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badgraph1csghost
5 months ago
that's def the thing about AI tho-- all these other methods, some of them were used for years or decades, all exist and are time-tested and well documented. but someone keeps selling tech CEOs a bill of goods on AI even though it's patently broken in so many places you'd have to be crazy to use it at all.
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badgraph1csghost
5 months ago
like, obvs the tech sector doesnt give a shit about the environment (hence strip-mining to make microchips) but you seriously have to spend almost 2ce as much time fixing AI mistakes as you would have just writing code from scratch. it's absolutely the dumbest thing to hit tech since 2010.
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the Neoities maintainer person Kyle wants to put AI into the code editor. God knows what else AI is going to do - i didn't see any warranty of our sites not to get scraped so far. Read more about that here [https://ai-petition.neocities.org] and sign the petition, please. I don't want one of the last OK places of the internet to fall like that.
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So apparently the Neoities maintainer person Kyle wants to put AI into the code editor. God knows what else AI is going to do - i didn't see any warranty of our sites not to get scraped so far. Read more about that here [https://gremlin.nekoweb.org/blog/10-15-24] and sign the petition, please. I don't want one of the last OK places of the internet to fall like that.
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bytemoth
5 months ago
It's not a foolproof anti-scraping solution, but we can use robots.txt (and/or meta name=robots tags) to tell the major cloud LLMs to stay off our sites: https://coryd.dev/posts/2024/go-ahead-and-block-ai-web-crawlers/
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tabbygarf
5 months ago
neocities ai will be trained on making the same sadgrl website template over and over
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astrossoundhell
5 months ago
sure, robots.txt is a must, but it doesn't mean a lot. neocities hosts our sites, the data is already there, they don't need to webscrape in order to train. I want a warranty from Kyle that we're not used as training data.
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regarding the AI thing gremlin and i have been talking about: it doesn't sound like the Penelope AI is anything more than an analytical engine; sort of an "autocorrect for your code" type of thing. The problem is that KD hasnt said which API Penelope is based on, so there could easily be a corporate datascraper on the other side of it.
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gremlin
5 months ago
I don't know if it is a scraper involved. However the facts of the matter are that Kyle tried at least twice to add "coding assistants" to neocities despite understanding that AI/ML A: Contributes significantly to climate change and B: The neocities crowd is against this kind of stuff, we came here to avoid some the issues that plauge the modern web
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gremlin
5 months ago
C: Kyle has stated on reddit that the plan is only on hold, it could very well still happen
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gremlin
5 months ago
So for the sake of being fair, Kyle acted pretty shady and could have potentially thought about scraping the data or selling it to AI companies to use BUT so far there is no proof of that so thats not what I am saying.
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gremlin
5 months ago
What there is proof of is coding assistants being added to the neocities text editor! These got added under the guise that they help and assist new webdevs HOWEVER the code produced by "coding assistants" is notorious for presenting code that is way more trouble then it's worth. What this will realistically result in is more lower quality web pages that don't function or require more time to fix then code that you-
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gremlin
5 months ago
Anyways no, it's was not just autocorrect. When it was functional you would ask it a question, it would give a response based off that question.
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It's definitely lighter and better organized than MyAG, and if you take away the parts needed for the editor - it's even smaller. I figured i'd need something considerably malleable if i want to run my outfit gallery, kandi museum, music review blog, twitteroid, bandcampoid, etc, all off the same core engine :'D this also means that people can write their own configs and end up with highly custom setups
Which is to say, i want to post to the website, but because i am a fucked up person, i cannot just go and edit the page's HTML each time. I *have* to write a thing that does a thing and is a funny system of gears. Once i get that running, music reviews and OC wiki it is (hopefully)